1997 ITR on BaT

[AndyD]

https://bringatrailer.com/listing/1997- ... -type-r-7/
67K miles

[jayhaire]

It's an interesting one with the theft, recovery, and such.

Things to look for would be rear calipers (97 or 98+), VIN tags, etc. The car looks great, but there's a story that the original owner could probably fill in those gaps. I'm curious on where this one will go.

[Type R]

It's an interesting one with the theft, recovery, and such.

Things to look for would be rear calipers (97 or 98+), VIN tags, etc. The car looks great, but there's a story that the original owner could probably fill in those gaps. I'm curious on where this one will go.

What's the difference with the 97 calipers?

[jayhaire]

Scott went through this conversion back in the old days.
https://honda-tech.com/forums/acura-int ... n-1677564/

1997 Rear Calipers -> 1998 A cheaper solotion, thanks to LEN!
Hey everyone.

This writeup is about switching from the 1997 USDM ITR rear calipers to the 1998 rear calipers. The reasoning for this is price, and anyone with a 97 looking to replace their old and busted or worn out calipers with some fresh OEMs will be dissapointed two fold, as there are no OEM Honda remanufactured rear calipers for the ITR, AND, the 1997 ITR rear calipers cost a small fortune (and more than twice as much!) in comparison to the 1998+.

Lets look at some prices:

First off, 1997 ITR rear calipers are sold as the Body Set, and Bracket separately, not as a complete ready to bolt on set like the 1998s. The prices are:

6 43012-ST3-E50 BODY SET, R. RR. 1 1997 INTEGRA 392.63 314.10

7 43013-ST3-E50 BODY SET, L. RR. 1 1997 INTEGRA 392.63 314.10

and the brackets are:

8 43014-SN7-G00 BRACKET SET, R. RR. 1 1997 INTEGRA 113.27 90.62

9 43015-SN7-G00 BRACKET SET, L. RR. 1 1997 INTEGRA 116.82 93.46

So for new rear 1997 calipers: ~$808!!!

So I gave Len at Baranco Acura parts a call, and he said he would go ahead and order both a 97 and 98 from the same side, compare them and get back to me. He told me the only difference he could see was the bracket mounting holes to the rear trailing arm were different (so the 97 brackets would have to be used on the 98 caliper) and that you would have to run the 1998 rear brake lines. I'm in the process of replacing much of the worn suspension and brakes, so I was already planning on ordering new lines, but lets take a look at some numbers anyway.

Unfortunately the 1998 caliper prices dont show up on the parts catalog at http://www.barancoacuraparts.com, but its roughly $160 per side, and they come WITH the brackets (so 97s get totally screwed). The brake hoses which are needed as well run $35 a side.

The total for the rears on the 1998 specs are roughly $390.

<U>Running the 98 calipers on the 97 ITRs</U>

So in order to run the 98 calipers, you must buy the 98 rear calipers from each side, the 98 lines (they mount at a different angle than the 97s) and the 97 brackets (which are ~$90 a peice).

The total once converted to the 98 model rear calipers is ~$570. So you'll save about $230 using the 98 calipers with 98 lines and 97 brackets. Obviously its still a small fortune to replace the rear calipers, but for sticklers of OEM (or in my case bought the car with some 3rd party cheapo parts that cause funky wear and noises its still $230 that you can keep in your pocket).

One other note I forgot to add, switch the pins out as well, take the pins from the 98 brackets and transfer them to the 97s because the caliper holds the pin from rotating when tightening the 12mm bolts, but the 98 calipers dont have that, the pins have 17mm hex on them for that purpose.

Hopefully anyone needing new OEM rear calipers on their 97 will find this useful. I certainly did as I prefer OEM Honda, but the 97 rear caliper prices are to be laughed at.

The good news is Len was correct and everything bolts up with no problems! http://www.barancoacuraparts.com Hopefully everyone knows how to use the parts calalog

Now on with the pictures so you can see the perfect fitment!

Same pad placement, nothing is off:



The difference in brackets, 1997 on the left, 1998 on the right, mounting holes clearly different:



Handbrake cable still lines up the same:

I don't have these photos stored but do have some others.
Nathaniel might be able to help with photos. We were discussing this awhile ago.

I have not asked anyone at Honda about it but have wondered about the 97 difference. 98-spec JDM ITR was the same as our 98+, so were these kind of unique? It was something I was exploring when upgrading the 96-spec DB8 ITR's brakes here: viewtopic.php?f=8&t=31

[aklackner]

Wow that’s really weird. First time I’ve heard the 97 ITR could have had a unique trailing arm. I know the 98+ rear calipers were direct bolt on for my 97 LS?

Not sure on the ITR but on the LS rear caliper the only difference was the way the arm that held the parking brake cable was different. One used 2 10mm bolts, the other used one and a cast pin. When I did the swap on the LS I found most calipers don’t come with the arm and it created issues for me since I couldn’t reuse mine. Remans also had all sorts of brackets provided, all would bolt up but had offsets that varied by a few mm. Probably not enough to cause any issues but was enough to push me to buy a complete new OEM set, which also had the advantage of coming with the parking brake cable arm.

[Dc2-ProductionS]

Wow that’s really weird. First time I’ve heard the 97 ITR could have had a unique trailing arm. I know the 98+ rear calipers were direct bolt on for my 97 LS?

Not sure on the ITR but on the LS rear caliper the only difference was the way the arm that held the parking brake cable was different. One used 2 10mm bolts, the other used one and a cast pin. When I did the swap on the LS I found most calipers don’t come with the arm and it created issues for me since I couldn’t reuse mine. Remans also had all sorts of brackets provided, all would bolt up but had offsets that varied by a few mm. Probably not enough to cause any issues but was enough to push me to buy a complete new OEM set, which also had the advantage of coming with the parking brake cable arm.

There was def a different part # for 97 ITR RTA and 98-01 RTA. Years and years ago, I bought the last driver side '97 RTA new from Acura, and was forced to buy a 98-01 pass side RTA new. At that time there were 3 or 4 pass RTA available. The only difference I think we could find was the e brake bracket mount. I have to look back at the detailed pictures of them side by side

I have to look at my calipers now, because I remember them being smaller than the other set I had, and was questionable on it. Looked back to my old OG calipers I removed and they were smaller so I went with those rears....

[9701TypeR]

Wow that’s really weird. First time I’ve heard the 97 ITR could have had a unique trailing arm. I know the 98+ rear calipers were direct bolt on for my 97 LS?

Not sure on the ITR but on the LS rear caliper the only difference was the way the arm that held the parking brake cable was different. One used 2 10mm bolts, the other used one and a cast pin. When I did the swap on the LS I found most calipers don’t come with the arm and it created issues for me since I couldn’t reuse mine. Remans also had all sorts of brackets provided, all would bolt up but had offsets that varied by a few mm. Probably not enough to cause any issues but was enough to push me to buy a complete new OEM set, which also had the advantage of coming with the parking brake cable arm.

There was def a different part # for 97 ITR RTA and 98-01 RTA. Years and years ago, I bought the last driver side '97 RTA new from Acura, and was forced to buy a 98-01 pass side RTA new. At that time there were 3 or 4 pass RTA available. The only difference I think we could find was the e brake bracket mount. I have to look back at the detailed pictures of them side by side

I have to look at my calipers now, because I remember them being smaller than the other set I had, and was questionable on it. Looked back to my old OG calipers I removed and they were smaller so I went with those rears....

In search of a L+R rta if anyone has any leads.
(New only)

[AndyD]

Sold for $55k.