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Re: Suspension tuning - dampers, spring rates, etc.
Posted: Mon Mar 07, 2022 6:44 pm
by Little_Nolan
DC2Iggy wrote: ↑Wed Feb 16, 2022 8:51 pm
Xian wrote: ↑Wed Feb 16, 2022 3:28 pm
Apologies if it’s on an earlier page… but what’s your current suspension setup and wheels/tires? Also, just to clarify, the unsettled feeling is bumps mid-turn or even when going straight? How’s the stability under hard braking (straight line)?
Only minor suspension mods:
Koni Yellows
GC 430/350
Skunk2 UCA
Rear Camber Arm
-2.5 front camber / 0 toe (i think...maybe a little bit of front toe)
-1 rear camber / again maybe 0 toe but i can't remember
The unsettled feeling is only when going straight. When the car is loaded on one side it has no issues. It feels fine under hard braking as well. I do also have a cusco diff so I'm not sure if that could be contributing to it or not.
The GC springs in those rates are both 7" lengths - Unloaded over bumps with factory top hats those springs will be loose. I would say working the rebound a little harder might slow things down a bit - IDK.
Re: Suspension tuning - dampers, spring rates, etc.
Posted: Mon Mar 07, 2022 8:38 pm
by DC2Iggy
Xian wrote: ↑Mon Mar 07, 2022 9:45 am
Yep, agreed that bottoming shouldn’t be an issue at that sorta height.
Also agreed that it’s time to start looking at other parts and prying on stuff with a bar/screwdriver to see what moves. I’d look over everything… upper and lower ball joints, tie rod ends, compliance bushing, etc. in an effort to see if something has some play in it. Could also be a loose camber adjustment at the front or a worn toe link bushing (or RTA bushing) at the rear.
I'm hoping it's not bushing related as I just replaced most of them and have less than 1000 kms on them. I guess there is always the possibility. Good idea on the bar/screw driver. I'll try that.
Little_Nolan wrote: ↑Mon Mar 07, 2022 6:44 pm
The GC springs in those rates are both 7" lengths - Unloaded over bumps with factory top hats those springs will be loose. I would say working the rebound a little harder might slow things down a bit - IDK.
I have the ground control extended top hats. There is no play in the springs when unloaded.
Re: Suspension tuning - dampers, spring rates, etc.
Posted: Tue Mar 08, 2022 3:59 pm
by Little_Nolan
Disregard my comment related to the springs then lol.
Have you played around with the dampening at all?
Re: Suspension tuning - dampers, spring rates, etc.
Posted: Fri Mar 11, 2022 10:52 am
by Xian
DC2Iggy wrote: ↑Mon Mar 07, 2022 8:38 pm
Xian wrote: ↑Mon Mar 07, 2022 9:45 am
Yep, agreed that bottoming shouldn’t be an issue at that sorta height.
Also agreed that it’s time to start looking at other parts and prying on stuff with a bar/screwdriver to see what moves. I’d look over everything… upper and lower ball joints, tie rod ends, compliance bushing, etc. in an effort to see if something has some play in it. Could also be a loose camber adjustment at the front or a worn toe link bushing (or RTA bushing) at the rear.
I'm hoping it's not bushing related as I just replaced most of them and have less than 1000 kms on them. I guess there is always the possibility. Good idea on the bar/screw driver. I'll try that.
Little_Nolan wrote: ↑Mon Mar 07, 2022 6:44 pm
The GC springs in those rates are both 7" lengths - Unloaded over bumps with factory top hats those springs will be loose. I would say working the rebound a little harder might slow things down a bit - IDK.
I have the ground control extended top hats. There is no play in the springs when unloaded.
Did you have the same instability before you replaced the bushings? (Yeah, I’m grasping at this point)
Good suggestion earlier about a potential lack of damping depending on where you have the shocks adjusted currently.
Re: Suspension tuning - dampers, spring rates, etc.
Posted: Sat Mar 12, 2022 9:06 pm
by DC2Iggy
Xian wrote: ↑Fri Mar 11, 2022 10:52 am
Did you have the same instability before you replaced the bushings? (Yeah, I’m grasping at this point)
Good suggestion earlier about a potential lack of damping depending on where you have the shocks adjusted currently.
Unfortunately the car came with a couple of blown bushings that made it impossible to drive on the track. I've played around with the damping and it does not change the feeling drastically. Softening the damping makes it a bit better over the bumps.
Re: Suspension tuning - dampers, spring rates, etc.
Posted: Fri Jun 24, 2022 5:28 pm
by audipwr1
coolhandluke wrote: ↑Mon Sep 18, 2017 2:30 pm
907ITR wrote: ↑Mon Sep 18, 2017 2:07 pm
Interesting. Maybe I'll be making a stop to the dealership to buy OEM bushings before they disappear. Spoon also makes a bushing set, and it's only $170, I've never been a fan of most of the things available on the aftermarket. Spoon is one of the manufacturers I would trust when it comes to something like that.
Age definitely plays a factor though, my doors are already starting to sag a bit and the windows are rattling when rolled down. Definitely on my to-do list this winter.
Ping Cris @ Acura Parts Express or Chris @ Kingpin Machine. Both support ITR Expo and can do two options:
1.) Buy OEM bushings or complete arms for self-install (Acura Parts Express)
2.) Buy arms with already installed spherical or OEM bushings (Kingpin Machine)
I'm not skilled at pressing bushings other than RTA's, so I went with a combo of new OEM arms (Rear LCA's, Rear Sway Bar, Rear Compliance / Toe) and new OEM via Kingpin (Front LCA's.)
Does Cris @ Acura have an email he uses for parts.
I need to
1. Refresh all bushings (thoughts on what ones (or do all) is best?)
2. Need coilovers (weekend spirit driving and track, but old man comfort).
Is there a consensus on good coilovers for #2 - I wouldnt mind a slight ride height reduction too (mostly for bling bling look, but not slammed).
Last honda (in 2001 with my EF hatch) I ran ground control setup - worked fine, but wonder if world has evolved since then
Thank you
Re: Suspension tuning - dampers, spring rates, etc.
Posted: Fri Jun 24, 2022 6:29 pm
by aw614
audipwr1 wrote: ↑Fri Jun 24, 2022 5:28 pm
coolhandluke wrote: ↑Mon Sep 18, 2017 2:30 pm
907ITR wrote: ↑Mon Sep 18, 2017 2:07 pm
Interesting. Maybe I'll be making a stop to the dealership to buy OEM bushings before they disappear. Spoon also makes a bushing set, and it's only $170, I've never been a fan of most of the things available on the aftermarket. Spoon is one of the manufacturers I would trust when it comes to something like that.
Age definitely plays a factor though, my doors are already starting to sag a bit and the windows are rattling when rolled down. Definitely on my to-do list this winter.
Ping Cris @ Acura Parts Express or Chris @ Kingpin Machine. Both support ITR Expo and can do two options:
1.) Buy OEM bushings or complete arms for self-install (Acura Parts Express)
2.) Buy arms with already installed spherical or OEM bushings (Kingpin Machine)
I'm not skilled at pressing bushings other than RTA's, so I went with a combo of new OEM arms (Rear LCA's, Rear Sway Bar, Rear Compliance / Toe) and new OEM via Kingpin (Front LCA's.)
Does Cris @ Acura have an email he uses for parts.
I need to
1. Refresh all bushings (thoughts on what ones (or do all) is best?)
2. Need coilovers (weekend spirit driving and track, but old man comfort).
Is there a consensus on good coilovers for #2 - I wouldnt mind a slight ride height reduction too (mostly for bling bling look, but not slammed).
Last honda (in 2001 with my EF hatch) I ran ground control setup - worked fine, but wonder if world has evolved since then
Thank you
Acura Express parts is where Cris is at
https://www.acuraexpressparts.com/
Bushings, I would go Spoon, Mugen, or OEM in any order if you want to keep it closer to OEM. The advantage to Spoon they do have a bushing kit with everything included vs individually pricing each part if that is more convenient for you vs buying it individually and having to deal with parts delays for say one specific bushing.
https://spoonusa.com/spoon-suspension-b ... k9-dc2-db8
Re: Suspension tuning - dampers, spring rates, etc.
Posted: Tue Jun 28, 2022 4:50 pm
by coolhandluke
audipwr1 wrote: ↑Fri Jun 24, 2022 5:28 pm
I need to
1. Refresh all bushings (thoughts on what ones (or do all) is best?)
2. Need coilovers (weekend spirit driving and track, but old man comfort).
Is there a consensus on good coilovers for #2 - I wouldnt mind a slight ride height reduction too (mostly for bling bling look, but not slammed)...
Option 1, Koni Yellows, Ground Control (RC) sleeves, and Eibach springs, are a tried and true setup. Easily rebuilt (uncommon for most suspension setups), easily adjustable both in ride height via GC or change rates via springs, or even revalve to pair with stiffer springs.
I would reference my prior posts for spring rate recs for comfort, but note, "comfortable" is relative butt dyno metric.
Option 2, higher grade suspension via used.
Re: Suspension tuning - dampers, spring rates, etc.
Posted: Wed Jun 29, 2022 3:51 pm
by audipwr1
Thanks - going GC setup (had that on my EF hatch in 2001, and my 96 GSR back in the day).
They will sell Koni yellows set up for top adjust in rear if you ask for them btw
Re: Suspension tuning - dampers, spring rates, etc.
Posted: Thu Jun 30, 2022 12:34 pm
by coolhandluke
audipwr1 wrote: ↑Wed Jun 29, 2022 3:51 pm
Thanks - going GC setup (had that on my EF hatch in 2001, and my 96 GSR back in the day).
They will sell Koni yellows set up for top adjust in rear if you ask for them btw
Nice tip, we should probably share your purchase to document for a buyers guide, etc.