Type R Club of America

Gotin wrote: ↑Mon Jul 15, 2019 10:59 am Hawk does not recommend street use for the HP+, this is what concerns me with keeping them on the car year round. As an FYI: the car is driven under 2k miles a year.

I wouldn't recommend Hawk HP+, they are very hard on rotors, I was not impressed with them. I had HPS as well and found them marginal for AutoX. Mid-Ohio has very little run off in the event if something did happen, not saying it will but you can get moving on that track.

I run G-Loc Brake Pads, love them and they last. You can give the owner a call and he will recommend a compound based on your car and use. Since you don't drive many miles each year race brake pads aren't really an issue.

At the last HPDE event I attended I swapped between the Hawk HPS and Hawk DTC-60 pads. On the first day we were only limited to 130kmh so there was no point in me switching to the DTC-60s right away. I found myself braking around the 2 cone marker to make the turn. The second day I had the DTC-60s on the car and was reaching around 170kmh on the straight. I found that I had more confidence with those pads and was able to get on the brakes later at the 1 cone marker.

I use the HPS pads as a street/autocross pad and they are find for that but I think they would burn off too quickly with the same heat I'm putting through the DTC-60s.

I wouldn't recommend Hawk HPS for HPDE's. They are a step above OEM pads in terms of temperature range. Hawk HP+ are a step higher and suitable for entry-level/novice HPDE us, but I would plan to step up in pads later. Alternatives could be Hawk HT10's.

Reference - Temperature Operating Ranges:
-Hawk HPS ~90-750°F
-Hawk HP+: ~90-850°F
-Hawh HT-10: 300-1300°F
-Hawk DTC-30: 100-1200°F
-Hawk DTC-60: 400-1600°F

This chart helps visualize Hawk's lineup:
https://www.tirerack.com/images/pdf/pro ... Charts.pdf
*2016

3pedalJohn wrote: ↑Mon Jul 15, 2019 3:55 pm I wouldn't recommend Hawk HP+, they are very hard on rotors....

You are correct in observing pad dust properties. Both pads and rotors are wear items, but the dust properties are key. Pads that last longer are typically wear rotors faster and release more iron onto paint/wheels. I don't recall HP+ having significantly poor dust properties, but its been many years.

Some insight on Hawk HP+. I mostly drive my R to and on the track:

I currently run them on all four corners with Autozone rotors. I know this was a popular combo in the past and a combo I used a lot before (minus the rear pads). Right now, the rears are a little too aggressive but I make it work. In regards to dust and noise, they are loud at times and produce a fair amount of dust compared to OEM.

For the HP+ pads and rotors, they might be considerably tough on them. I'm actually on my third set of rotors. The first one was a no-name brand, second was Autozone, and third is Autozone again (i love their warranty!). Take this as a grain of salt as it might be my own fault for not cooling off my brakes sufficiently after a session at the track. Hope this helps!

ilovemyRz wrote: ↑Mon Jul 15, 2019 11:58 pm I currently run them on all four corners with Autozone rotors. I know this was a popular combo in the past and a combo I used a lot before (minus the rear pads). Right now, the rears are a little too aggressive but I make it work. In regards to dust and noise, they are loud at times and produce a fair amount of dust compared to OEM.

Was that with ABS or without ABS, the rear brakes being too aggressive?

Using the chart posted above and the 2 below, it might be ht10 vs dtc30. Also placed an email to G-Loc to get a 3rd opinion.

https://www.hawkperformance.com/ht-10
https://www.hawkperformance.com/dtc-30

The HT10 looks to have a better stats but at the cost of 200 degrees before heating up.
As always, thanks everyone for the insight.

ilovemyRz wrote: ↑Mon Jul 15, 2019 11:58 pm Some insight on Hawk HP+. I mostly drive my R to and on the track:

I currently run them on all four corners with Autozone rotors. I know this was a popular combo in the past and a combo I used a lot before (minus the rear pads). Right now, the rears are a little too aggressive but I make it work...

What tires? There are several schools of thought on brake pad combinations. Ultimately, I would test and align to your setup and driving style. My current combo is too aggressive for Extreme Summer (RS4's) tires but works with rcomps (NT01's.)

Schools of thought:
1.) Step down rear pads from front. (Stick to Hawk examples)
-HT-10 F / HP+ R
2.) Run as aggressive rear pad as possible. The goal being to make the rear pads doing as much work as possible. Lock-ups are a risk and indicate too aggressive
3.) The rears don't do much work on our cars so run cheap OE-style rear pads

Gotin wrote: ↑Tue Jul 16, 2019 10:07 am The HT10 looks to have a better stats but at the cost of 200 degrees before heating up.
As always, thanks everyone for the insight.

I just did two events in a new track build (EG) at VIR and Watkins Glen running Hawk HT10's, unknown rear pads (OE?), no ABS. I was very happy with the results. Note, we also drove to and from each event. The operating temperature range did not negatively impact street use.

HT10 are an excellent pad. The only reason I switched to XP10/XP8 front/rear combo was because I wanted to try a rear pad, and I was told the carbotechs are less dusty. Unfortunately I have to disagree, the carbotech dust the same if not more than the HT10. I do like the XP10/XP8 combo though. Straight line braking is far better than the HT10/OEM combo I was using.

The HT10 and XP10 also have slightly different surface area shapes. Not sure if one is better than the other. Pic attached for reference, HT10 on the left, XP10 on the right.

coolhandluke wrote: ↑Mon Jul 15, 2019 6:28 pm

3pedalJohn wrote: ↑Mon Jul 15, 2019 3:55 pm I wouldn't recommend Hawk HP+, they are very hard on rotors....

You are correct in observing pad dust properties. Both pads and rotors are wear items, but the dust properties are key. Pads that last longer are typically wear rotors faster and release more iron onto paint/wheels. I don't recall HP+ having significantly poor dust properties, but its been many years.

My experience is grooved front rotors and relatively short pad life with Hawk HP+ pads. Lots of dust like any performance brake pad.

Lots of great positive feedback from track drivers at the events that I attended made me give G-LOC a try. You can also get them pre-bedded right from G-LOC. I run R10 in front and R8 in the rear.

Looks like a pricier option but i was running the EBC YellowStuff (s2k pads for dc2 Mugen AGBS kit) on my LS.
Not sure on supported temps but are rated for Street and Track use, as well as listed for only moderate brake dust.

When I was driving them daily I like them and didn't have an issue with dust, also probably part of the reason the Chevy 1500 that rear-ended my LS didn't push me forward into vehicles ahead.