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Re: Dumb, Stubborn, and bound to end up penniless…….
Posted: Wed Mar 23, 2022 11:49 pm
by aklackner
Still playing around. Had picked up this Eibach set a while back. Finally ran it down to have it serviced and now I’m process of getting it installed.
Had them loaded with 650/600 springs and rebuilt. Service said they were re-valved for the new rates as well. They provided the dyno sheets on them as well as some test data, so now on the to do list to learn how to read them.
Started to get them installed. Remote reservoirs take a bit of work to run and locate. Rears were pretty straightforward. Next task is to set up my alignment platform, get height settled, rerun alignment. I’ll probably leave them set full open until Chuckwalla on April 1st. The open track format should provide a really good opportunity to experiment with settings and decide if I the JDM 23mm ARB is enough or if I want to order a hollow ASR bar.
Had to shift the ABS fuse box but I think reservoir mounting worked out pretty well and hoses are well secured.
Re: Dumb, Stubborn, and bound to end up penniless…….
Posted: Thu Mar 24, 2022 4:32 pm
by coolhandluke
Awesome! You will really enjoy the R2's but I'll note, two-way's are more work in adjusting to dial in. Also, I highly recommend corner balancing once the ride height is "close" and before your alignment.
I will pull out my track notebook to share my setup. There is also a great podcast listen from a gentleman named Lee Grimes from Koni, about how to pay attention to & adjusting two-way's, from SlipAngle:
https://anchor.fm/slipangle/episodes/Sl ... oni-e1kev2
More active discussion on the suspension thread here:
viewtopic.php?t=20
Re: Dumb, Stubborn, and bound to end up penniless…….
Posted: Thu Mar 24, 2022 4:34 pm
by coolhandluke
aklackner wrote: ↑Wed Mar 23, 2022 11:49 pm
Still playing around. Had picked up this Eibach set a while back...
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PS the rears look "backwards" from how I installed them. The current install will
not be fun adjusting rear compression at the track, and it already required crawling under the car.
Re: Dumb, Stubborn, and bound to end up penniless…….
Posted: Thu Mar 24, 2022 8:15 pm
by aklackner
coolhandluke wrote: ↑Thu Mar 24, 2022 4:34 pm
PS the rears look "backwards" from how I installed them. The current install will
not be fun adjusting rear compression at the track, and it already required crawling under the car.
Yeah I thought so too but it’s the way the instructions call to face them. Rear compression adjustment will require lifting unfortunately, rebound at least will be easier to access.
I’ll take a look at the resources you posted. I’m hoping to keep things simple trying to work something like this (found on winding road)
1. Set bump and rebound full soft
2. Do an out and in lap
3. Add bump in two click increments until the “feel” of steering improves, doing an out and in lap with each adjustment
4. Now add rebound in two sweep (or click) increments until car “feel” (driver confidence) improves
5. Back off by two clicks or more when lap time slows
6. Drive out/in laps for quick comparison (some drivers adapt swiftly to poorly handling cars, back-to-back comparison avoids driver input blurring the data)
And then hopefully once I have a rough setting tuning as listed below. Though it seems to be for Rwd, everything but acceleration on straight should be the same, where acceleration would probably need more front rebound and more rear compression to slow load transfer away from front.
Re: Dumb, Stubborn, and bound to end up penniless…….
Posted: Sat Mar 26, 2022 10:44 am
by aklackner
Here’s the damper dyno sheets if any one is interested.
The graph is 2 settings for each damper. Full open (both comp and rebound, represented by the cluster of lines closer to the x axis) and full closed
Front dampers are 35 and 36
Rear dampers are 33 and 34
I’ve recorded which damper is at each corner so I can try to even up based on dyno performance.
Re: Dumb, Stubborn, and bound to end up penniless…….
Posted: Mon Mar 28, 2022 3:31 pm
by coolhandluke
Instructions aside, based off personal experience, I would rotate the rear shocks 180* to allow better access to compression. I clocked a combine ~20k and likely 20-30x track events like this, zero issues.
I'll do you one better and ask our community members who work at Eibach to chime in.
Re: Dumb, Stubborn, and bound to end up penniless…….
Posted: Mon Mar 28, 2022 9:13 pm
by aklackner
coolhandluke wrote: ↑Mon Mar 28, 2022 3:31 pm
Instructions aside, based off personal experience, I would rotate the rear shocks 180* to allow better access to compression. I clocked a combine ~20k and likely 20-30x track events like this, zero issues.
I'll do you one better and ask our community members who work at Eibach to chime in.
That’s great info, if there’s any way to make them easier to adjust I’m game. Right now access is terrible and I want to be able to set full open for trips to/from even if I’m not doing a lot of tweaking for a given day.
Re: Dumb, Stubborn, and bound to end up penniless…….
Posted: Wed Mar 30, 2022 3:19 pm
by aklackner
Got out on the road for the first time since Eibachs went on. Have to say massive improvement, especially on chopped up streets near me.
I actually had to tighten rebound up a couple clicks to reduce some of the bouncy float I had at full open. Much less harsh than the Koni setup despite significant jump in spring rate. I think this is due in large part to the Eibach bushed upper mounts. The karcepts ball bearing upper mount I used with the Konis transferred the initial “impact” very directly making even the softer springs feel more harsh than necessary.
Re: Dumb, Stubborn, and bound to end up penniless…….
Posted: Sat Apr 02, 2022 10:53 am
by aklackner
Re: Dumb, Stubborn, and bound to end up penniless…….
Posted: Thu Apr 07, 2022 10:17 pm
by aklackner