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Next 2022 Civic Type R Will Get Acura NSX Hybrid Tech (400HP)

Posted: Tue Jul 14, 2020 7:37 pm
by coolhandluke
Article: The Next Honda Civic Type R Will Get Acura NSX Hybrid Tech With Almost 400 HP: Report
by: Justin T. Westbrook
From: Jalopnik

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Jalopnik wrote: While the current Acura NSX is a bit of a benchwarmer in the hierarchy of high-performance sports cars, Honda may apply the NSX’s hybrid technology to push the fan-favorite next-generation Honda Civic Type R to the edge of 400 horsepower.

Japanese website Best Car, via The Drive, claims the next-generation Honda Civic Type R will debut in 2022 after the regular next-gen Honda Civic debuts next year. The report also claims it will feature the current Civic Type R’s same 2.0-liter turbocharged inline four-cylinder engine, but linked to a new powertrain inspired by Honda’s premium brand, the Acura NSX’s SH-AWD hybrid layout.

The report claims each rear wheel will get an electric motor as part of the car’s torque-vectoring all-wheel-drive layout, with the gas engine powering the front axle. This would be inverse the NSX’s setup, which has its electric motors upfront due to its mid-mounted engine commanding over the rear axle.

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If the report is true, the additional electric batteries and motors will juice up today’s Type R 2.0-liter four-cylinder engine—one of the greatest engines of the last decade—which currently makes 306 horsepower and 295 pound-feet of torque up to a claimed total of 395 horsepower.

Since it’s pretty obvious this will be the type of hybrid that leans heavily on performance intentions, I doubt we should expect a large battery, and with that any “electric-only” range from a hybrid Type R at all. May they make an EV-only “pit-lane” or “quiet start” mode, if we’re lucky.

Also, with performance in mind, mounting the electric motors in the rear is an interesting choice. I know it’s a simple one: take the car we have and put motors where there’s space. That logic tracks and I can respect it.

I know the Civic has to be a Civic, with the gas engine in the front, but you would think one of the biggest benefits of electric motors is their compactness and potential for packaging.

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It could, in theory, be a much simpler system on the front end with two electric motors powering the wheels that steer, and have the heavy motor sitting over the rear axle without any steering shit to get in the way. Or throw in the steering stuff to make it really interesting, like some miniature Honda Halo Warthog.

But of course, that is pie-in-the-space thinking. Honda would never flip the Type R into some weird rear-mounted hatchback, despite the potential packaging efficiency (with admitted potential detriment to cargo space... in the name of performance and excellence!).

Instead, Hyundai is doing that, and their mid-engined hot hatch is also expected to get nearly 400 HP and debut around the same time. Oh, this could be interesting.

Re: Next 2022 Civic Type R Will Get Acura NSX Hybrid Tech (400HP)

Posted: Tue Jul 14, 2020 7:59 pm
by Dave7CDMTYPER
Maybe it'll be good. But the type r keeps getting further from the glory days of the 1990's.

Re: Next 2022 Civic Type R Will Get Acura NSX Hybrid Tech (400HP)

Posted: Tue Jul 14, 2020 8:13 pm
by coolhandluke
Dave7CDMTYPER wrote: Tue Jul 14, 2020 7:59 pm Maybe it'll be good. But the type r keeps getting further from the glory days of the 1990's.
The US market will never have a repeat of the 90's era cars. Safety standards alone add ~500lbs. Cars are also so much larger now, across the board... That being said, I do enjoy my heated seats, heated steering wheel, carplay, and other amenities in my RS.

Re: Next 2022 Civic Type R Will Get Acura NSX Hybrid Tech (400HP)

Posted: Tue Jul 14, 2020 8:49 pm
by Dave7CDMTYPER
What if they made a CTR with a 350hp V6 that revved to 9k, RWD, and had smooth, toned down exterior styling? I'd buy that in a second.

I've always liked the RS, keep us posted how you are liking it. :thumbup:

Re: Next 2022 Civic Type R Will Get Acura NSX Hybrid Tech (400HP)

Posted: Tue Jul 14, 2020 11:04 pm
by coolhandluke
Dave7CDMTYPER wrote: Tue Jul 14, 2020 8:49 pm What if they made a CTR with a 350hp V6 that revved to 9k, RWD, and had smooth, toned down exterior styling? I'd buy that in a second.

I've always liked the RS, keep us posted how you are liking it. :thumbup:
This sounds more like an S2000 replacement. :P

I will have to start an OT thread for the RS soon. It's still a fun CTR alternative.

Re: Next 2022 Civic Type R Will Get Acura NSX Hybrid Tech (400HP)

Posted: Tue Jul 14, 2020 11:34 pm
by aw614
I wonder if they'll keep it manual or go dct/automatic with the hybrid tech, or if the Next Gen Si will still be only offered in manual and the Type R with all the tech

Re: Next 2022 Civic Type R Will Get Acura NSX Hybrid Tech (400HP)

Posted: Wed Jul 15, 2020 2:08 am
by coolhandluke
aw614 wrote: Tue Jul 14, 2020 11:34 pm I wonder if they'll keep it manual or go dct/automatic with the hybrid tech, or if the Next Gen Si will still be only offered in manual and the Type R with all the tech
That's a worthwhile question to ponder:
-NSX was only paddle shift
-Paddle shift is faster
vs.
-Purists prefer manual for driving experience or (perceived) control

Re: Next 2022 Civic Type R Will Get Acura NSX Hybrid Tech (400HP)

Posted: Sat Jul 25, 2020 12:41 pm
by jayhaire
I'm trying to delay my next vehicle purchase and am interested in something fun, AWD, and hybrid of some kind. This could tick those boxes...or not.

The new TLX AWD 2.0T (not the Type-S) also sounds interesting to me. Similar engine to the CTR (probably same as Accord and / or RDX currently) without the overheating issues.

For now...old TSX (and TL) need to last another few years.