Suspension

[yoshi234]

I have all Sp00n bush on 234. Changed it out couple years ago. It tightened up the car but new OEM probably would've felt the same since the rubber was 18 years old at that point.

Are you saying that new oem and spoon bushings are similar in feel?

No, but I guess I could've been clearer. What I was trying to convey is that it'd be hard to tell new OEM vs new Spoon unless compared back to back since what I had replaced was original and super old.

[coolhandluke]

No, but I guess I could've been clearer. What I was trying to convey is that it'd be hard to tell new OEM vs new Spoon unless compared back to back since what I had replaced was original and super old.

That is a wise point.

[aklackner]

I have all Sp00n bush on 234. Changed it out couple years ago. It tightened up the car but new OEM probably would've felt the same since the rubber was 18 years old at that point.

Are you saying that new oem and spoon bushings are similar in feel?

No, but I guess I could've been clearer. What I was trying to convey is that it'd be hard to tell new OEM vs new Spoon unless compared back to back since what I had replaced was original and super old.

According to Spoon they increased the durometer of their bushings from the OEM (appears to be for non-Type R) 65 shore to 85 shore. According to the '97 R guide the Type R shock mount bushings were 5 times stiffer than the GSR but doesn't specify changes to other bushings. This seems to agree with part numbers, as bushings appear to common part numbers (st7,sh3), not P73 specific.
https://www.spoonsports.eu/51359-dca-000.html

A move from 65 to 85 is pretty significant and would very likely provide an increase in handling and cabin vibration.

[Dave7CDMTYPER]

I have all Sp00n bush on 234. Changed it out couple years ago. It tightened up the car but new OEM probably would've felt the same since the rubber was 18 years old at that point.

Are you saying that new oem and spoon bushings are similar in feel?

No, but I guess I could've been clearer. What I was trying to convey is that it'd be hard to tell new OEM vs new Spoon unless compared back to back since what I had replaced was original and super old.

Gotcha. So for you, anything was an improvement over your worn bushings.

[Totsie7944]

Are you asking about front compliance bushings and rear LCA's? Or about struts/springs/coilovers?

Either way, here's a link to Mugen front compliance bushings: https://www.rhdjapan.com/mugen-front-co ... 2-db8.html

Mugen rear lower arm bushings (these are for LCA right?): https://www.rhdjapan.com/mugen-rear-low ... 2-db8.html

Sorry, I probably should have been more clear. I am asking about the Front Compliance Bushings and the Rear Lower Control Arms.

So is the consensus to get the Mugen Front Compliance Bushings?

As for the rear, I thought you couldn't press out the old OEM and press in new bushings without damaging the control arm? If you can, do you guy knows if the link to the Mugen bushing the correct part #?

Ryan (Coolhand) - I looked at the link you sent, they don't have the RCA's listed for sale (none left in stock).

Also, for those speaking about the rear trailing arm bushing, you can still buy the OEM bushing, it's just a different part number - 52385-SR3-003.

I guess while I'm in here and we're talking about suspension, does anyone have any issues with me doing a Ground Control setup? Again, I won't be tracking this R anymore, but I would like it to sit a bit lower (like 1") and have slightly improved handling without being too harsh. I am just looking for the easiest bolt-up solution without having to buy shocks, springs, figure out the best rates, etc. (I've gotten lazy in my older years). I had talked to GC a while back and they said I could pick any spring rates I want, so any input is welcome to a mild step-up over OEM.

Thanks guys.

[coolhandluke]

Ryan (Coolhand) - I looked at the link you sent, they don't have the RCA's listed for sale (none left in stock).

Call or email and ask for Cris. They recently posted a set for sale on the IRUNOEM instagram.

I'm also pushing for someone like Kingpin Machine, to recreate these pieces either via OEM bushings from HPD or via their exceptional sphericals.

[coolhandluke]

...I guess while I'm in here and we're talking about suspension, does anyone have any issues with me doing a Ground Control setup? Again, I won't be tracking this R anymore, but I would like it to sit a bit lower (like 1") and have slightly improved handling without being too harsh. I am just looking for the easiest bolt-up solution without having to buy shocks, springs, figure out the best rates, etc. (I've gotten lazy in my older years). I had talked to GC a while back and they said I could pick any spring rates I want, so any input is welcome to a mild step-up over OEM.

Have you seen this thread?
viewtopic.php?f=8&t=20

Koni yellow shocks, Ground Control coil sleeves, and Eibach springs, are a tried and tested solution. The GC + spring combo is flexible, as springs can be easily swapped or adjusted for ride height. Note, Eibach springs are either progressive or static rates. Higher spring rates can be adjusted to be "more comfortable" via helper springs. There are other spring options that are progressive.

[Totsie7944]

Have you seen this thread?
viewtopic.php?f=8&t=20

Koni yellow shocks, Ground Control coil sleeves, and Eibach springs, are a tried and tested solution. The GC + spring combo is flexible, as springs can be easily swapped or adjusted for ride height. Note, Eibach springs are either progressive or static rates. Higher spring rates can be adjusted to be "more comfortable" via helper springs. There are other spring options that are progressive.

I emailed them and asked for Chris to give me a call or response. So will keep you posted.

I hadn't seen that thread but can take a look. I think the guys at Ground Control are all pretty familiar with ITR's also and can probably just tell me what I need. I skimmed some of the thread here at work and I think more or less I'd keep a 500lbs or less spring rate in the rear. Need to think more about the front.

[yoshi234]

If you were in socal you could've tried my car.
All Spoon bush installed almost 2 years ago and I just installed GC's ITR set up with 550 springs at all 4 corners.
Car is lowered about an 1" F&R from stock.
24mm Mugen bar in rear.

It's only been a couple weeks but so far I really like it

[Totsie7944]

If you were in socal you could've tried my car.
All Spoon bush installed almost 2 years ago and I just installed GC's ITR set up with 550 springs at all 4 corners.
Car is lowered about an 1" F&R from stock.
24mm Mugen bar in rear.

It's only been a couple weeks but so far I really like it

That's great to hear. How is the ride on the street?

What are stock like 250 in front linear and 250 rear progressive? Jumping to 550 isn't bad? Just wondering if I'd be better at like 400-450 on all 4 corners.